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Naked Truth with Carmen & Olivia
Naked Truth with Carmen & Olivia

Episode 10 · 2 years ago

Episode 10: Weird Wellbeing - Special Episode

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

After a short break, Carmen and Olivia are back with a slightly different episode format to usual. This week Olivia has researched a weird wellbeing subject and shares her discoveries with an unknowing Carmen. 

To find out more about Hysteria and the Curious Case of the Wandering Womb - -listen to their discussion and please enjoy their off topic tangents!

Explicit Content Warning - this one may not be safe to listen to at work! 

Hello and welcome to episode ten of naked truth with Carmen and Olivia. I'm your host, Carmen, and with me is my co host, Olivia. Now, this episode is something a little bit different and, to be honest, I don't know much about it. How are you, Olivia? I'm good. I'm glad we're finally recording this episode. I know we've had a little little bit of a break, a little bit longer than we're expecting, but I'm feeling ready to tell you the story and I'm looking forward to seeing how you react to it. So how are you doing? Not Bad, not bad. I'm on kind of a holiday this week without my family and I'm very intrigued about this episode, nervous, to be honest. Tell me a bit more about it, I think. I think it's a good thing that your daughter isn't around, so she doesn't hear any of it. But so the format for today is going to be very different to what we've done before. So I'm going to tell you about a weird well being subject that I have researched and you're going to listen and hopefully react to what I'm talking about, and it will sparks and interesting conversation and if it doesn't, we will never try this again and we'll go back to doing what we were doing before. So are you ready ready? Awesome. So here, here we go. So the topic for today's episode is hysteria and the curious case of the wandering womb, and at the top I'm going to name my main sources for this research so I don't forget, because this is not straight out of my head, I have had to look it up. So sources are lit hubcom, ancient origins, dotnet, widecom and an mcbi article, and there are a couple other things that I will mention during the episode. So do you know much about hysteria and the wandering woomb, Carmen? No, nothing at all. Okay, so hysteria was regarded as the first mental disorder attributable to women and it has been documented and, in inverted commace, treated throughout history from as far back as two thousand BC to the twenty century. So it's been around for a very, very long time and actually quite until quite recently it was a recognized disorder and it's documented in the ancient Egyptian Kahun papyrus, studied by the argonauts in ancient Greece, Plato and hippocrates get in on it. It was seen during the witch trials as to do with demonic possession. Freud then gets involved and says, hang on, this isn't only something for women. Men Get it too, and the list goes on. So it's been studied for centuries. But one prevailing theory that stuck around for a very long time about hysteria and what caused it was the wandering womb. See, might wonder what a woman this isn't wondering woman? Well, I'm sure this will be no surprise, but back in the day they thought the womb like to go wandering around around the woman's body because it's like a sniffer dog for semen. It just seemen the way. They can't get enough of seemen. And if it can't find any and it's correct anatomical position, well what's woumb to do other than to kind of go around other parts of the body trying to find some seemen? So it is it's just a little sniffer dog for semen. So it would be constant move aroun a woman's body looking for semen. Yeah, if it can't find any, if it's not getting enough and it's normal position. If it's like, hang on, when did I last get some seemen? I need to go find some seemen, it will go sniff it out somewhere else. So what did they say, like how much is enough for the woman? Couldn't do what. They didn't say that they didn't have a kind of measurement of what was enough. I think it's just based on, Oh, you've got hysteria. Clearly don't have enough seemens. So it's so it could be there my one one day will be in my face another day it stays in your Torso, oh, I see it, but it could be all over the place within your torso. So different, depending where it is that you cause different problems. But this way woman fell different emulsions, yes, and different illnesses as well. So having it...

...moving to different areas of your body, unsurprisingly, isn't good for you. It's not good for your body to have this womb just wandering about. And there is a physician in Cappadocia, or Cappadocia, and never had to say that, one called Aretaeus, and he said the room could go up and down and left to right, and basically it could collide with other organs and that would cause different problems. And if it went up, it could cause sluggishness, you to be weak and have vertigo, have headaches. If it goes down, you'd feel like you were choking, you couldn't speak, you lose your sensibility and, most dramatically, you would have a very sudden and incredible death. So it's no laughing matter. Your wounds desire for seemen could kill you. No, it's and this, but this is like this one on for centuries. So this wasn't like one person said it and was like, Oh yeah, we'll do that for a bit. It was like they really believed it. So throughout this huge period of history, many of women's ailments could be blamed on their wandering womb and hysteria. So, as I already said, it's considered hysterious, considered to be a mental disorder, but it's also just a very general term given to loads of different issues. So it includes, but it's not limited to, mental illness, sexual deviancy, low libido, Vertigo, migrain. So, just to be clear, mental health issues being a bit Kinky, not wanting to have sex, feeling dizzy and having a migraine. That could all be called hysteria and therefore it's the fault of your womb. That's just wondering about. Brilliant. But don't worry, because our TEUs knew how to sort that out. Now we already know it loves the smell of seamen, but bizarrely, wounds also love the smell of flowers. So if you keep some flowers by your vagina, the womb would just be tricked back into place. Any kind of any kinds of flowers, or they just like freaking florals. So anything that smelt particularly floor as good. But it's nice that well being isn't always hard work. Sometimes it's just about some flowers. nowers down there. And and on the opposite way, if you smelt something disgusting, so you know, like smelling salts to bring people around and they've fainted, that kind of smell could force it back into place as it like Oh, that smells disgusting and it goes back down. And what this reminded me of is have you heard of Yanni steaming? So when people have their vagina steamed these days and no se have some I'm coming Catholic background daddy with the nuns. No, I am going off with a bit of a tangent here, but it's just it just reminded me this kind of obsession of like the Vagina and Oh yeah, let's put some flowers there, that will make it all better as so I looked up vaginal steaming and the proper term is Yanni steaming, which is why O Ni. So health online had an article and it describes it as an age old remedy said to cleanse the vagina and uterus. You know self cleaning vagina, but don't worry, we can cleanse it steam regulate men situation. He's period cramps and bloating, and after receiving high praise on Gwyneth paltrow's website, goop, the practice has surged and popularity, and I think that's where I know it from, is hearing about Gwyneth Paltrow, because she is like a real proponent flow weird well being stuff. Is that this is something she doesn't tell the so what do you do? Is there's some machine you can buy, and how often do you have? Are you interested in traffic or because if weren't, needs doing it? You know, we have to dry, of course. So this is how you do it so that this is how it works. So vaginal steaming directs herb infused steam into your vagina. Does not sound safe and for a big fee, you can go to a spa and have it done, or you can just kind of do it yourself at home, where you just squat over a container of the yes, small was a kettle on. Yeah, get a ball, put some hot water, be careful with the heat. Yeah, and do some way, I guess. You See, when we were ill, when we got calls, were used to because we were living in the countryside, we used to get eucalyptus leaves. Yeah, well, they in Warm Water and breathe the vapor. So you never...

...know. Rather than spending your money in something else in a FANCIESTPA, just get some elkalyptus and do at home with the kettle. Well, they recommend mug work, worm wood, Cammamal, calendular, Basil and Oregano. And if you have it at a spar though, have like a special seat which Gwyneth paltrow calls a throne with a hole for the steam to come through. But if you do it at home it's a little bit more, you know. So Olivia. I still don't understand why these woman is doing there. He has hysteria because the benefits. It's used as a natural remedy for cleaning the vagina and uterus and the entire reproductive tract. But not only that, it also allegedly relieves stress, depression, hemorrhoids, infections, infertility, hormone imbalances, headache, fatigue, digestive issues and, best of all, generalized pain. So it sounds like quite a cure. Rule to just steam clean your vagina with some herbs and then you're fixed. For many sorted now number the with coaches and therapy for depress just get the kiss on. Yeah, I'll see. When I get to the question of does it really work, the answer given is there is no scientific evidence that vaginal steaming works and according to Dr Manny Alvarez, chairman of the Department of Obstetric Obstetrics and gynecology and reproductive science at Hackensack University Medical Center, is very long title and how made up to Hackensack Universities Up, vaginal steaming may help you relax, but little else. I don't know if I'll be too relaxed. So how hot do you need to be understand. I'M gonna try. He claims as little chance the herbal steam could penetrate the vaginal tissues, let alone regulate hormones and improve fertility. One benefit maybe that the moist heat from the steam increases blood flow to the vaginal area, but this isn't well studied. So considering this a sits bath or simply soaking in a warm tub might have the same effect. Another's use. Thinking Olivia, how how I'm gonna do it like, for example, we got rid of the bad we only have a shower. I think you'd have to get like a bowl like boll, fill it with herbs and hot water and then just squat over it. I guess that could be good as well for my legs. Yeah, some Jim as she says. This is the vapor. Or was there some squads? So you two birds at the same time. Well, what is another view is that what's been promoted, the reason for it been promoted, is cultural and not physical, and one study found that the reasons for this practice focused on women's bodies as deficient and disgusting and propagated and negative female our self image, which I think probably sounds more realistic than that it's going to fix your your generalized pain and fertility problems. Is that? Actually it's because women are disgusting and and we want the women to always have a negative self image that they'll keep paying for treatments like that. So, as much as I am amused or boom used by the ancient practices around hysteria and the wandering womb, I thought that was an interesting thing to bring up because it just shows we are as ridiculous today in some things that that we do in a as the questions again, yeah, in the quest to be our best version of ourselves. So it's quite scary, to be honest. Is that equal, equal work? I don't know. But because a celebrities doing it, the rest of us we just want to puppy. I mean, I said I would try. Perhaps I will try, I don't know, but just out of curiosity. Know, because a celebrities doing it. The problem with these things is, like many young girls, they are so influenced by whatever these celebrities are doing. So no matter what, even if he's something stupid, they will follow. Yeah, and their celebrities are very often either, like Gwyneth Paltrow, have their own wellbeing company and of course one. Yeah, they're being, you I. paid to promote stuff that they're not really using, that they're literally just there to do some advertising for people on Instagram. You know if there is definitely a big, big risk to it in that kind of just doing things...

...like you say, because, oh, my favorite celebrities doing it, so it must work. Yes, that clear. And for me there is a morality that, you know, they have to pay attention to and it could be that she truly believes in what she's doing. This fine, yeah, right place, where there are many other areas where they just, you know, it's not the same things, and the followers they would just do whatever they say. It is quite yeah, I'm also the vagina. One is self cleaning, so it would clean itself and to it's not. It's a delicate balance down there. You're not meant to be putting straight in there. That isn't meant to be in there. I mean, if you truly I don't understand, and I never did, like I remember when so because I was brought up in a Catholic environment and that was okay, but to go with the study with the nuns in boarding school in you become so bring was and I remember for me and it's not. They didn't say warms like your body's disgusting or whatever. They didn't. They never did. But I remember the first time I kiss a boy and I got excited. I felt dirty, I felt disgusted, I felt they was wrong. The thing is, I don't understand how people in religion, they believe that there is a god, allow whatever you want to call them, that creates us. HMM, and think that we are not perfect. If God create us, everything about us is perfect. HMM. I saying or no, we have to circumcise the our voice. Yes, it's better for not. The human body is perfect and everything, every part, has a role in our life and function. And you we shouldn't modify anything. Obviously, if he's for paying resh issues meanness, of course, but if it's not, just leave it as it is. Is No, and if you're not religious. For me, you know now I'm not religious and I believe in a higher power that created us and my body is perfect. I don't need to modify anything in my vagina and if I had a son, I would not touch his pinnies because he's perfect. I see this. So it's just it's quite interesting, isn't it? HMM. So let's go back to the wandering womb that there's more cures beyond flowers. Another cure is to if you just keep getting pregnant, that helps keep the womb for God, and that is why woman kept getting pregnant and dying. But it also helps keep the woman in her place as a baby making factory. Just keep her there, making babies keep right place. So keeping nice and healthy and enough. And I'm not saying I always say to people like it's a decision. And some women they don't have they don't want to have kids, and that should be okay. But I remember the only time I felt hundred percent happy with my body was when I felt pregnant. HMM. It just felt like my body was doing what it was meant to do. And I look, you know I was fatter than before and all that, but you know before I had always been slim and, you know, very pettit, but I was had issues with my body and I don't like this. I don't like that. And I remember when I went through pregnancying, I put a kilosong. That for my high. It was it was okay, but I just felt so sexy I felt, you know, my body was so beautiful, my big belly was so beautiful, and then I delivered the baby and my body complexes came back. Yeah, but it was quite interesting that, with the body secures, you might need to turn into a baby making factory. Then, Oh Jesus Christ, you know one is in nothing job done. Basic. Basically, sex is a consistent and sex is also a cure. But that does make sense because if wounds love semen, of course they want to yeah, more and more, and also it could be cured through genital massage, exercise and relaxation. So that sounds like a pretty modern take on on self care and documentation from the eleventh century states that marriage and masturbation became the untold cure for the symptom, although most medieval doctors were hesitant to prescribe it because they were worried that their female patients might ask them to do it to them. Brilliant, and most doctors would prefer women to have their husbands or midwives perform the treatment. So I don't know how you'd feel about your midwife and doing that. But no,...

...when during the the twelve century, most physicians relied on the Greek classics from Plato and appocrates to diagnose most ailments and hysteria sort of grew to more and more things were added to hysteria and what that meant. So it also now included, and I'm reading this word for word, I've not written this sentence, the retaining of blood, of or, sorry, the retaining of blood or of corrupt and venomous uterine humors that should be purged in the same way that men are purged of seed that comes from their testicles, next to the penis, and that is from the physician Trottola, and that made me kind of go, what does that actually mean? Yeah, I got lost, so I think it means. Look, you're all gunked up with menstrual blood. Sorry, it's gonna have a drink because I'm coughing, all ganked up with menstrual blood or other kind of vaginal liquids, which made me think of that Cardi Being Megan. The stallion song. WAP STANDS FOR WET ASS Pussy, if you don't notice song, and how they have kind of made this feminist kind of anthem around having a wet vagina when excited sexually, and I think it's funny that it's almost like they're saying, Oh, if you've got this liquid coming from your vagina, this must be like the issue that's causing you some problem and that's what we're going to call. That's another part of his steria, like it's bad for you to have a what Cardib we call a wet ass pussy, and it made me think about that. Have you heard of this guy called Ben Shapiro? He's just a right wing idiot in the states. No, one of many, obviously one of many. He would call himself a conservative political pundit, but I prefer right wing idiot. Sorry, I'm just like choking today. I think it's the subject making sure very excited. Try nout. But he he read out the lyrics to this song, to rap, and was kind of like critiquing them and saying like how bad it was for women to be talking like that. He was doing it in a kind of women are being seen as objects way, which I can understand what he's saying, but he's not taking into account this as women talking about themselves, and they would say. I think the problem with this as well is it's like a pendul listener. We need to go to the other stream where, you know, people lay these girls. They put a song out there because, to be honest, I remember, as I mentioned him, from my Catholic background, I was feeling Darty to get excited. Now I look at my child and she's gonna be free of all of this. She's gonna be like thinking about sexuality and sex something normal, not something dirty. If you if you get wet, if you kiss a boy before marriage, on my God, Oh my God. And the problem is in many societies in America, m that very narrow minded. You don't have to go to poor countries in any of our countries, depending on the family. So you know, he's got a point there that perhaps woman, but woman or man and way, they shouldn't talk in this way. I mean sometimes, when I listened to all these rubbers, I can listen to them, I feel like I'm my mother. I don't lie swearing, I don't like the swearing and decent that so much to listen to it. It just it's like pollution in my mind. By the same time you have to normalize it. Yeah, yeah, and the thing is he he's like this really straight laced person reading out these lyrics, but then he's also censoring them because he can't see the words, so he says p word. And then whenever he talks about his wife, he always like she is a doctor, but he always calls her his doctor wife, like it's called change. So He's like reading these lyrics that gets the bit about like they're so wet they need a bucket and mop, and he said that his doctor wife told him that if they need a bucket and mop, they should get medical care as they have bacterial or vaginosis, a Ye slection or an STD. So he really went for the kind of it's completely abnormal for women to get wet in any way them. They must have a medical issue because of it. Were interesting way a guy lay there had to put that table at the topic on the table. I know what is stronger thing is that song was not written for...

...him, that he's got expected to be the fan of that songs. Why he bothered about it. The honest I was watching the news today was I'm no watching t be at all and I definitely will know watch the American politicians fighting against each other, but I was flicking through the channels and I saw it was only two minutes. The Republicans, all these young women and young generation talking the way they did is just horrible, horrible. I felt like we going into waters that are quite dangerous if they win again. It's just horrible. So hate and you know the way they talk about the Democrats. It's just, Oh my God, it was just I just couldn't watch. It was horrible. But anyway, it's just this is another tangent. Let's go back to to run the WOM but it's quite funny actually, if you see the twitter comments about Ben Shapiro making his wife dry are quite funny because, well, it's easy, basically boasting that his wife is never wet. We have ten kids but she's never been wet. So in the twelve century vaginal fluid was seen as something bad, as does Ben Shapiro and his Doctor Wife Today. So moving on to the thirteen century, Europe doesn't really change their definition of hysteria. It's still the same as it was before, but they kind of recommend that widows and nuns partake in the treatment to, you know, massage people's vaginas to do the job. Okay, so now not just could the husband do it? Could could at nurse do it? Could a widow do it? Couldn't under it. Poor widows. I've had someone die and now they've got to go. Jesus Christ, we you see, when we were at boarding school, we kept thinking that there is no way priests and nuns wouldn't have edges like the rest, and we look at them like they were all lesbians doing a with each other. So, you know, it could very well be that the nuns will be happy. I don't know. Yeah, but if they couldn't get the traditional methods of married people having sex or having some form of genital massage, if that didn't work, and it's around this time that they started going, hang on, maybe this isn't just hysteria. Maybe they've been possessed by a demon, because those sex of my which and they's wars they will be called, which is right. Well know that this is surprising actually, because when I started reading this I was like old greats, and now these people are witches and they're going to gonna be burned at the steak or whatever. But apparently demons, when they're looking for people to possess the people, they particularly like our young women suffering from depression. Single women did for coult women, which I don't know why a demon would want to possess a difficult one if you grew a woman and elderly women. But by Medieval Canon law, any woman suffering from hysteria or possession were considered blameless of their actions. So they weren't sent to stand trial as witches. Instead they were sent to priests to be exercised and if the exorcism didn't work, they couldn't be saved. And it doesn't go on to say what then happened then, but I imagine it wasn't a good ending if they couldn't be exorcised. I imagine the well did the priests did to them. I imagine they did some kind of a ceremony in through some holy water over them, and when that didn't work, I imagine they were kind of just left, you know, I don't know die. It really doesn't say it just like well, if it didn't work, they were they couldn't be saved, so either they were just left to live like that or I wouldn't be surprised if they died from the exorcism though, because, yeah, having seen some modern day ones on documentaries, they've gotten must really intense. Yeah, but eventually possession and hexes and witchcraft then fell out of fashion. So we went back to massage and marriage and sex, and it's it's not quite clear when this happened, but the wandering womb section seems to eventually fall out of favor. So hysteria still the round. There is to the link to reproductive order disorder, so reproductive organs, but the actual disorder of hysteria isn't in any longer being blamed on this womb wandering around looking for semen. So what out of the symptoms of hysteria? Because I never heard of basically anything you could it could be that you are depressed, that you've got some other...

...form of mental illness, that you have migrains, you've got verticate, literally anything, everything, anything that was deemed as a woman's ailment, they could just call hysteria. And now a days, what is called hysteria that we have? Nowadays we actually know what those conditions are, so we call it something. We call them all the individual is no hysteria. Yeah, so in the nineteen century they start worrying about stds, particularly syphilis, and doctors are concerned that in them promoting things like you need to go have lots of sex or you need a genital massage. They would be seen as promoting sexual debauchery, which they didn't want to do. So they were thinking like, well, how else could we remove the desire for sex, which would then in turn cure the hysteria? So then they started performing, and I'm going to try and say this word, clitterodectomies or removing other reproductive organs, so basically doing female circumcisions. Yeah, and the hope wasn't in doing that the women would become more compliant and trustworthy. So yeah, that's interesting because I'm I imagine those women no longer trusted anyone else after they have that done to them. I'm so happy to be born at this time Nice I think with my personality I will be dead so young. I will be fighting all these bastards. Thankfully, this trend didn't stick around too long and the doctors found a more technical way to distance themselves from the sexual debauchery through genital massage, and that was through the sort of invention, I suppose, of medical vibrators. So previously, when a doctor had to perform a genital massage on a patient, they they would do it in the you know, doctor's room, with the patient's husband and maybe even other family members watching in the room. My God, Oh my God, imagine my mother sitting down, would God, and that take hours to bring will give me teas terrier. It wouldn't take it out, you will give it could take hours to bring the patient to orgasm and was reportedly uncomfortable to watch. No Shit, yeah, I imagine it wasn't very comfortable to have it done to you for hours either. So the doctors did try to persuade husbands or midwife to do it instead. And but another issue was that massage is a treatment rather than a cure. So the symptoms is hysteria would return and then woman will be back again for another massage. So the son of then they did like it. They came off with the other mother who who that was their particular kink with going to the doctor for that. Now, please. Yeah, so by using vibrators it made it a lot easier and the doctors were physically distance from actually doing the treatment themselves, and days, where we're Ann Summers, was created. Yes, with it I've writed doctor's office idea. So there was a time when you went to the doctor's office and were brought to orgasm by a vibrator for the good of your health. Now some scholars do deny theory, but I don't want to ruin a good story and I think it sounds like it makes sense. Now, eventually Sigmund Freud comes along, like he does with everything, says hold your horses, hysteria isn't just a woman's thing. I've got it too, and it becomes more of a they're very much kind of interested in the mental disorders side of hysteria rather than blaming absolutely everything that a woman ever has on hysteria. And with that it all begins to die down a bit and by the early twenty century the number of women suffering from hysteria drastically declined due to its previously overgeneralized diagnosis. So before, when it was like you're ill, you've got this problem, you've got that problem, it's hysteria. Actually they had proper kind of names for the actual conditions that they were so they started being diagnosed with whatever the actual problem was rather than just this label of hysteria. And in the twenty one century it is no longer recognized as an illness at all. So hurrah God one. So within several hundred years the definitions of wandering room and hysteria seemed, to say, somewhat consistent. Three time more symptoms were added and why it came about was kind of changing, but the theme and the treatment seemed to remain the same until the turn of the twenty century. Only then was it kind of phased out for more scientific and specific definitions of illnesses. Now it could be argued that...

...that happened because of advances in medical technology. So as we became more aware of science and things that we could do and invented stuff to find out causes of things and treat things, that we actually started diagnosing things properly. So hysteria just died out naturally. But some would argue it's also due to women attaining more rights than they had before, and I found this kind of summary from femme news magazine that I really liked because I thought it kind of summed up the gender issues with hysteria very well. So, regardless of how it was treated, hysteria was deeply gendered because it was thought to be caused by upsets in the womb. It was seen as purely a woman's disease. In Ancient Greece, hippocrates used to Sterea as validation for women to be unable to participate in politics or other integral parts of society. Women were seen as too emotional and unpredictable to be trusted with political issues. This belief unfortunately carries on in today, into today's world. It wasn't too long ago that Hillary Clinton was called too emotional to run for president. Not only was hysteria and absurd absurd disease, but it was a means of oppressing women. Women with hysteria had to rely heavily on a man's help in order to function. Rather than addressing psychological issues, women, in terms of the old gender by binary model, were disregarded because they own something that men don't, a womb. Stigmas haven't changed. Women are still called crazy and over emotional. Still we come up with its uses for women's emotions. If she's acting at our sorts or a rational it's immediately assumed that she's on her period, which describes it discredits her emotions. Women may have wounds, but they also have minds. Although hysteria might be a term of the path, the essential gender oppression behind it continues today. I thought that kind of well that and it's so true, to be honest. Like you are in corporate you don't see many women at the top. In politics, you don't see a little bit more and more, and the ones that are doing really well these days are woman in politics. But it's it's true, though, and even the way we talk with our friend, Oh, I'm with my period, you know. Oh, she's with her period, and the thing is, society needs woman, you know, in higher powers and society, human means we need emotions. Emotions is not bad things. Emotions is a gift from our wisdom, telling us if something is aligned with ourselves and our values or not. Yeah, so it's it's a perfect summary, to be honest. It's yeah, and I think a little bit of emotional intelligence would be very helpful in the world. I now O my God, so needed. So and, to be honest, I really have big hopes for the future generation. I see these kids, my daughter Sage, have very different people. My daughter care so much about the black life, matters, about the planet. I never did at her age. She's only eleven. Yeah, there's so much hope for ends. They're not gonna, you know, women, they're going to be much more empowered because as parents we are teaching them how to do it different than we did and as well, I think, what they see out there. You know, it's just so much information in their hands, and so I have big hopes. But Eq is heavily needed everywhere in society and emotions are needed. We need to listen to our emotions. Yeah, and I think a bit of eq would have really helps out with them. You know the centuries of hysteria that women were treated for. Actually, people would have gone, hang on, we can't just school all these different things the same thing and they all happen to have the same treatment. And why is it all still going on if this is how you cure or how you treat it? Many of the conflicts, wars, many of the big issues in the world, is because people are not using Eq. Yeah, but I guess using Iq they totally disregarding any kind of empathy and emotions. HMM. We all learn to listen and to be more empathetic. I think half of the wars would disappear. Yeah, and it's true we have less wars than in the Middle Age. You know that there were always killing each other. So not to say that we didn't improve human human beings. You know, our evolution throughout the centuries is huge. Even the important nowadays are reaching comparison with before,...

...they still is a long way and and I think leaders in big corporates and in politics, if they don't have a good character and empathy and compassion, I don't think there will be successful in the future. Yeah, I hope. Yeah, I hope so they have it. That was a whistle stop summary of hysteria and the wondering womb. I mean is it's a much. It's a really huge subject. You could literally pick a century and talk about it for hours, but I just wanted to kind of bring the highlights of it and the reason I picked that topic was that I was kind of doing some just general research into the history of self care and well being and although I'd heard of hysteria before and had some idea of women's diagnosis and the treatments, she didn't ask how long it's been around or anything about the wandering womb being the prevailing theory, and it got me thinking that there must be a plethora of other weird wellbeing subjects out there for everyone to learn about. So whether it's Medieval apothecaries doomsday cults, vaginal steaming, I were talking about before. You can go all different ways with it. I think it's a really you know, it's a big area to research on a weekly basis. It did take some time to put all that together. By thought it was a fun kind of change the podcast to do for our our ten episodes. So maybe we could have a think about what, you know, other special exposing might want to do in the future. Yeah, now I think it was great. It puts things into perspective and I think it's quite important to see how, you know, the way we view things, and sometimes even nowadays, you know, it's just people keep circumcising their voice. I think it's for renders. And had parents telling me that is good to do as a baby because babies they don't suffer. I was thinking, okay, give me your baby and I slap you baby. See if you baby doesn't cry. Yeah, babies, they suffer as much as you do. That the mum. Yeah, in that you can. So we still do a lot of things because we think is the right thing to do and I don't know how much damage is done. M Babe, because you don't have a comparator, you can't see you baby. We thought without the sort shall consider. So it's very interesting and yeah, it's you know, with the mental well being. One of the things is you kind of still talking corporate about mental well being, I mean in powerpoint presentations. Yeah, of course we all talk that. Yeah, but then you're adding having lunch with your colleagues and leaving in. I remember we had a the well being weak and I wanted to talk to them about that. And seriously, they keep change in the subject. MMM, we were having lunch and I kept saying, you know, like I think we all have different levels of, you know, issues with our minds. We didn't want to talk about it because there is a stigma and the stigma is still they I'm afraid it's getting better. We are more open and we are going towards the the right path to keep talking about and know that by a long journey, I think. Yeah, and I I think it's getting more usual, like he say, for it to be a powerpoint presentation, for it to be a general topic for discussion, seems to be easier than it has been before in a yest. Yeah, but if you're still talking like one on one, like Hey, I'm right, opens talk about my experiences. People get scared. They don't want to know. They're like, Oh yeah, what am I going to hear? Is this going to trigger something in me? I don't know what their reasons are. I think the problem is like when we don't know how we can help, we get a scared because she could be that said, you don't be like here. My partner was felt like it was very superficial, like to meet each other in the corridor, say hi, how are you, and you are gone already. He goes, he's from their mark. So they're more, you know, like he asked me how I was. He didn't wait for the reply. Yeah, you know, I mean went from me is like yeah, but this is what you say. You know, how are you buy it's no, it's not important. But the thing is it is important. And the thing is sometimes we don't ask the question because we so scared of the answer and many of us we can't deal with them. So it's a little bit like in society. I was reading a book about how society wants us not to feel pain. We don't want individuals, we don't like pain and we don't want to feel pain as well as society. So imagine like a big event happened like in New Zealand with this guy did...

...the guy kills so many people. In the most it goes really quick to okay, this happens. Now is healing? Well, we have to go through the pain and feel that pain and then we can start thinking. We will too quick because pain is too much. We can't deal with paying. The thing is to properly heal. If you don't deal with the pain and really feel it, I don't think we can heal. And that is the problem many of us. We didn't heal many of our issues because we jump out of the pain. This is too unbearable living in the thoughts of being in pain. We don't like it, you know, we just want to get rid of paying as quick as possible, please, and go to you know, keep moving on. The thing is you need to not to be scared and you need to feel the pain and then the healing will come easier. And you know, people like us, probably we are part of the wave where we do talk about our issues. And I don't care if people will judge me because I was depressed, so because I had this illness, so because even our days, I go up and down and I feel, you know, is that you can't control what people think about you. You just can control what you think about you and others and the rest is but the more, I think, the more we do it, the more people around us. We create a safe environment. Yeah, all the surround us, and then they structure less. Actually, it could be our employees, it could be our friends. So our job, if we truly believe in it, we keep doing it, we keep talking about our issues and being vulnerable in front of people, and then one day they will realize it is not so bad. And when I when I did it, I thought it would be really bad, but it was really good because people reacted really well. And when they don't react well, to be honest, if U Specter them to react a certain way and they didn't, seriously, it's because people they can remember. Ages ago I had two deaths in my family. Always it was my little niece aid. She died of cancer and I spend a whole week watching her in the this horrible hospital beds, see her dying and then we bury her. And a day after my father passed away. So it was two deaths very close to each other, and I remember I came back to work. And seriously, my boss never talk to me about how I was doing and I never took a personal because the thing is, he did. He really liked me, we got on really well, we were friends. He didn't know how to handle a potential answer because my answers were always yeah, okay. So he didn't have to deal with you know what I feel like? Crap, my world is, you know, breaking down all over me. I can't even breathe. I can't even start telling you, because what do you do with that information when you don't have a high q or the skills? What do you say next? You don't have a clue and then you panic. So you decision is if I don't ask, it's okay because you know, and perhaps I tell hr to check on her. Yeah, so somebody's checking. But then, you know, I look at the thinking. I know what you're thinking and I know you mean. You know, you you can about me. So I didn't take a personal because I knew they couldn't handle an answer that will say I'm struggling here, I need help, and then what do you do? I don't know. What what can I do? You know. So, yeah, interesting, isn't it? HMM. And it's interesting how it all but mean today it's nice to be a talk about wondering way in hysteria, but we've also told was about Eq and women's rights and crazy new well being things that we do now, and it's it's funny how it's all kind of there's such a it's such a big area wellbeing and emotional intelligence, and but then strange that people aren't up about it because it's such a big such a huge part of everybody's life. But then we got all they can't talk about that stuff. I think the problem as well is for many, many centurists and many years we being splitting the body from the mine. HMM. And now we understand more and more, even individuals like us, the power of the mine on the physical body is huge, and not just on the physical body, on the quality of your life. For me I was lucky that I saw it twice in my life with my father. My brother had a terrible accident and I saw him going from Comma better him to die to be like us right now and going through old our deal. And the only difference between my brother and...

...another guy with the same situation that will die is his mind. But what's the difference? And because I saw it and with my dad, the same with cancers, know that the doctors could never explain why he was alive. When you see it, you believe it. M probably, if I didn't see it with my is probably would be more difficult for me. So everything is holistic. You know, we're talking about different topics now. We started with the wound and then, because we are holistic, we are not just one specific area. And well being, you know, it's about everything in your life. Yeah, every area and your life. You can't split. Yes, we deal with this one and forget about about the rest of the areas. Is it's just a holistic view. Relief. We want to have a healthy well being. Yeah, and good. Think about having a podcast. Is Making talk about all the different things. That and compathy, the weird. Yeah, the weird, the wonderful, youthful, they're not so useful. That lying cool. Thank you so much. This was very interesting, Olivia. So we come to the end. Let us know what you thought about the different style of the episode this week and if you have any ideas from way to wonderful well being topics, PAS, tell us. You can get hold of us at Naked Truth Pot at gmailcom, naked truth pot on mister and a naked truth underscore pot on twitter. Our facebook is naked truth with Carmen and Olivia. Thank you so much for listening and join us again next week. Tell you friends about us, spread the world, stay honest, say you and stay naked. Bye Bye.

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